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I thought there were crazy politics in our country, but Germany?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by DaveInWoodland, Feb 12, 2017.

  1. DaveInWoodland

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    Couldn't believe the latest with Merkel now arranging to pay immigrants to leave. In one way it may just save a boat load of money but it does seem kind of like closing the barn door after the horse is already out.

    Maybe a different policy should be in place to control and restrict this before it gets out of control?

    I know in the U.S.A. there is much confusion over what is going on at the moment. People do not seem to understand that there is a night and day difference between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants. Now that the people have shown they want better control of who enters our country they are labeled with derogatory names and labels. It's sad really how this has morphed into what it has.

    Any country has the right to do so. To ignore it in my opinion is a recipe for disaster. Everyone should support legal immigration and conversely should also just as strongly be against illegal immigration.
     
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    I am against illegal immigration and poorly vetted legal refugee/legal immigration. There I said it. I don't believe in mass deportations. I've lived through 2 or 3? Amnesty programs Reagan and Bush. I don't want to deport enmasses the illegals that are here now, but I do want to secure the border before we do amnesty again. The problem will not go away without border security. I am also more comfortable with our neighbors from the south of the border then "fighting" age Islamic male refugees from war torn terrorist prone countries. Anyone who views Sharia Law as their supreme law and has no intention of assimilation should not be allowed in to this country. As a Marine Vet who has fought for this country I don't want to sit and watch what has happened in Europe, happen here. I am also not a snowflake, you can call me what you will and my skin is thick enough trust me, you won't hurt my feelings.
     
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    MY understanding is that Europe is just a very different animal. . I'm willing to be educated on this point by someone more informed than me but it is my understanding that the nations in Europe just don't have the same global expectation to welcome everyone in to stay with open arms that the US does. . This obviously based on the fact that no one is the US is really "from here" in the grand historical sense in the same way that people in Europe can point to how their families have lived in the same area for hundreds of years.

    From what I can tell the idea that Denmark is for the Danes and Germany is for the Germans and Switzerland is for the Swiss is something you can actually say over there without being pilloried as a xenophobic bigot at every turn. .

    I know some people who after Trumps election were horrified to learn that their plan to escape to Denmark was foiled by the fact that Denmark wouldn't have them and they have incredibly strict immigration laws. To these people is seemed absurd that a country should just be able to decide who can and can not come in.

    To me it seems to make all the sense in the world.
     
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    I was called xenophobic and racist a couple of times for voting bexit and believing our country is full and would be better off without the likes of Merkel.
     
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    Cool, a politics thread!
     
  6. DaveInWoodland

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    Exactly what the "Off Topic" forum is for among many others.
     
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    hihi, I still recall that "open carry" thread we had a while back. :eagerness:



    Serious, the situation in Europe is different, and very complicated. If you spend one day on an Italian Navy vessel in the Mediterranean Sea you'd get that. They literally pick thousands of refugees out of the water in little overpacked dinghies a week, sometimes even more. Same in Greece.

    And to be honest, if you were a christian living in Somalia, I even understand why you'd flee to Europe. Or any other war zone for that matter. Lybia, Syria, these countries are hell. If you were a brain surgeon, dentist or computer specialist in Aleppo, what would you do?

    I'm not saying they should let everyone in, there is still a difference between legal, and illegal refugees. And if you want to send illegal refugees back, you have to give them some money to travel back, because they don't have it...(and then they'll really end up on the streets, illegality). They'll look you in the eye and say: "Back, how??" You can't just deport them over the border of Germany...

    Angela Merkel at least tries to solve the German/European refugee problem in a humane way. A little bit of "love thy neigbor". I can't judge if it's the most effective way. Completely closing the European borders is just not an option.

    I'm of the opinion that we (especially over here in the US) can't even completely judge what's going on in Europe. There's right wing news, there's left wing news, populism and nimby-ism, all fighting to get our attention.

    My $0.02...
     
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    Max,
    I appreciate you're input there.

    Clearly it's a massively complex issue.

    You bring up a good point though in that we always need to make a distinction in those who are legitimate refugees in need of asylum and those who are just trying to "cut the line" of the legal immigration process. .regardless of the countries involved.
     
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    Its all just the start of something much bigger than deporting a few illegals.
     
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    Mr Munck :

    What annoys me the most, is the fact that it sometimes takes 2 or more years to vet an immigrant, and only after that time they are being told they can't legally stay. All this time they have been in legal limbo. By that time their kids have already adjusted to the culture, speak the language etc. Sometimes it even takes another extra one or two years for an appeal. By that time you don't even know where your country was.

    That's just inhumane, there should should be a one or two month limit to that imho.

    And smuggling refugees is a business. They often pay hundreds to thousands of dollars to get on a smugglers dinghy in Lybia, not knowing how far Italy still is, and that the Mediterranian Sea is a real sea and not just a lake. These are often people that can/could actually afford it. They spent their last money on that boat trip. Relatively wealthy before they started their journey. Entrepreneurs, doctors, craftsmen etc. The people that can't afford it, often just die in the warzone they live in.

    I don't think letting anyone is is a solution, there are always bad people. I do think letting no-one in is not a solution either.


    So yeah, it's a sad and complicated matter.
     
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    Great comments and ideas on this thread everyone. It's always a pleasure to see people that have various experience and exposure to issues that often not everyone has.
     
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    Max Kool, your comments are great. I couldnĀ“t have said it better myself.
     
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