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Having done about 500 miles in various conditions since yesterday, I now have a new appreciation for the throttle on this machine.

I would not call it hypersensitive, I call it extremely responsive. It is not just when "starting off". It is responsive at any speed and in any gear. (The close gear ratios of this bike exaggerates this.)

This responsive throttle is a pleasure on smooth roads but with rough roads it can quickly create unwanted responses.

I think that there are multiple points to be aware of, in order to control this throttle, instead of it controlling you.

One factor is the very upright seating position. While it can be comfortable and relaxed on smooth roads with mild cruising speeds, when things get going on rough roads &/or higher speeds, you may find yourself "hanging on" rather than "leaning on" the grips.

This creates an exaggeration of the instability because you can not stabilize the throttle. So my first suggestion, is to slide your butt a bit rearward and give yourself a little weight "leaning on the grips".

Even with this more stable body position, bumps will move your body, which is connected to the arm, which is connected to the hand and so to keep the throttle stable...you would need to adjust the position to accommodate for this movement........get my drift? This is an IMPOSSIBLE task. (It can partly be blamed on suspension but I would say the short wheelbase helps make things happen very quickly, no matter how good the suspension becomes dialed in.)

Unless you use a rest stop. Think of picking up a pen and writing something without resting your hand on the desktop vs. how you would normally be resting it solidly on the surface.

My preference, when the roads are smooth to slightly rough is to create a rest stop with one or two fingers on the front brake lever. This has a dual advantage of creating a rest stop to stabilize the throttle AND you are also covering the brake, thus reducing reaction time.

(these pictures are taken without gloves for diagrammatic clarity, wear your gloves!)



If you are following what I am trying to describe you will understand that if the throttle remains in a fixed position to the brake lever, it will be steady.

BUT...this only remains true when the brake lever itself, remains in a fixed position. And with rough roads the lever can become mobile as well, relative to the handlebar.

So I have discovered this technique, that works very well for me. That is all I can say about it. It works for me.

You will have to decide for yourself, if it is right for you.

So here is my stability position when the road is rough or I see an upcoming bump, pothole or whatever...



The thumb is solidly resting on the brake reservoir and the index finger in against the grip flange.
There is a natural pressure that squeezes these two points together and fixes the throttle position with the handlebar.

Using this technique, I can ride studder bumps without any noticeable change in the throttle position.

(If you are skilled enough, you can adjust the brake lever close in and use this thumb rest AND still cover the brake but this is pretty advanced.)

With both these techniques (finger on brake rest & thumb against reservoir) you must develop the skill of "rotating the throttle within your grip" rather than "overt wrist movement".

I know this may be hard to understand so if there are any questions about what I am trying to describe, please ask.

Edit: I was speaking from memory (which is bad) instead of looking at picture...thumb on throttle housing NOT brake reservoir.
 

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Check any bike forum discussing lean- mapped EFI and you'll find the same--- some bikes badly affected, some bikes not so much.

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I really did not notice a problem either, at first. It was after spending 2 full days, on varying road conditions that I found there where some conditions where it was impossible to be steady on the throttle without using this technique.

It is not really a problem if you are free to "get on it" or even "ride off pavement", it's more when you have to/want to be STEADY and the road surface creates a studder.

Hopefully, once suspension mods are tweaked this will become a non-issue but for now I can control it this way.

I personally, do NOT want to make my throttle less responsive.
 

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I use the clutch a lot in 'unstable' situations but am not sure if it is good to do this?? (i.e., 'slipping' the clutch). At the mo it's the best option for me to smooth out the jerky ride but am wondering if it isn't a good thing to do ...
It is a wise and necessary choice. It can wear out a clutch faster but they can be replaced (with an upgraded one, even better than stock).
 

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That's all fine and good but I can tell you the throttle on my icon is completely fucked. I am a very smooth rider and have been riding some form of motorcycle for the last 34 years.

I shouldn't have to feather the clutch when I have to make slow speed turns. I know some don't have the issue but mine is seriously an on and off switch.
I am a very smooth rider too, for over 50 years & I don't have to feather the clutch, IF I use an extra thumb or finger rest, as I described.

BUT...this bike is definitely NOT suitable for newbies!!!
 

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I reprofiled the throttle tube as seen on another post. Mine had a very steep ramp right at the point the cable nipple fits. I reduced the cam effect so it's a constant radius and mine is much improved!
That is all well & good but fixing it yourself is also delaying the inevevidible recall & dealer/corporation fix.

It's a new warrantied bike. If you think it has a problem take it to dealer & COMPLAIN!

I don't think mine has that initial on/off problem (but it is very sensitive at any position & rough road surfaces can make it hard to be steady).
 

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Well ANdy, let me fist thank you for a thorough analysis and a very well written, with photos, post. BUT the point is that there definetly is an issue with the throttle and we should not be braking our heads on figuring out how to control this damn throttle from hell!!! This is the number one selling bike in Italy, and one of the biggest sellers in the world right now, and after the fizzle settles down, Ducati is going to be in front of a lot of uncomfortable customers...unless they do something about it soon.
Exactly. They will have to do something. But we owners should be doing something TOO.

In the States, there is a way to make safety complaints...I assume there is something similar in other countries as well.

We should all be doing this....I will try and find more details on doing this....I remember doing this at sometime in the past, for another vehicle but my memory of the details is very vague.
 

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Call me old fashioned! But changing the rear shock won't improve the throttle response! Just stop the riders hand jiggling around so much, which goes back to the your holding it to hard! so doesn't solve the problem it just makes it slightly more manageable.
unless these days fuel injection is conected to the suspension?
It's the mapping and/ or gearing but mostly the rear sprocket if other dukes have 15/39
and were supposed to deal with 15/46 fps!
Riding 2-up, the throttle is fine. The lightness of the bike, especially for smaller riders, is the big factor in the throttle being "too responsive". No way that I want to diminish mine.

As I said back in the start of this thread, it's the riding position & the harsh suspension that needs to be addressed.

Yes...the "hand jiggling too much" IS the problem.
 

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No offence taken, by me, at least.

I am going on a week long tour through the Appalacians. Since we will be staying at a different place each night, my bike will be loaded the whole time. I think that I will appreciate all the snappiness that I can get.
 

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I suggest a little experiment...

I know a lot of scramblers will be solo bikes and never see a pillion rider but find a willing passenger of 150 pounds (or more) and go for a little spin.
 
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