[ducatikid]

Does anyone know whether our Scrambler engines are made in Italy or Thailand ? I know our bikes are assembled in Thailand, but are the engines produced there or in the "mother" country ? The Kid

 

[EvilSteve]

says here the engine and frame is made in Italy. The article is a couple years old but I doubt that changed.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-scrambler-made-in-thailand/

 

[ducatikid]

says here the engine and frame is made in Italy. The article is a couple years old but I doubt that changed.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-scrambler-made-in-thailand/

Yes, I have read that article and I believe there was another reference made to the engine being made in Italy also. But, I've been told that the whole bike is manufactured in Thailand too. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to build an engine in Italy and ship it half way around the world to complete the bike build.....? The quality looks great though and the question is..... does it make the whole bike any less or more where it's put together ? Probably not, but I'd still like to know for sure just ,if nothing else, to satisfy my own curiosity! The Kid

 

[Badgermat]

Does it really matter where the engines (or whole bikes) are assembled as long as they are assembled to the same QC standards as bikes made in Bologna?

It a Porsche Boxster (or Cayman) any less "German" because it was assembled in Finland or Austria? Is an iPhone less American or a Samsung Galaxy less Korean because they were made in China?

I don't think they are.

bm

 

[LadyBishop]

Fair comment Badgermat. But there are many scenarios out there where provenance makes a difference and is reflected in value and noticeably in build quality: American Levis vs European Levis, American Fender guitar vs Mexican Fender guitar, Cornish Pasty from Cornwall, Cornish Pasty from Bolton (eeuuuww)....etc. Just a thought.

 

[O2theL]

But, I've been told that the whole bike is manufactured in Thailand too. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to build an engine in Italy and ship it half way around the world to complete the bike build.....?

Scrambler is "assembled" in Thailand.

Shipping engines in a shipping container is very common in automotive supply chain - Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, etc, all do. Shipping costs are far less significant than moving an entire production line from Italy to Thailand.
The Scrambler engine is legacy from the Monster and continues the use of that capital equipment set-up in Italy.

 

[EvilSteve]

Bloody terrible for the environment though... Our bikes probably generate more pollution being assembled than in their lifetime of use.

 

[Badgermat]

But there are many scenarios out there where provenance makes a difference and is reflected in value and noticeably in build quality: American Levis vs European Levis, American Fender guitar vs Mexican Fender guitar, Cornish Pasty from Cornwall, Cornish Pasty from Bolton (eeuuuww)....etc. Just a thought.

Not sure I completely buy that "provenance means greater value" if only because this is a mass-produced, fashion product with very little relationship between quality, initial purchase price and ongoing value.

Your Levis example is interesting because I had no idea there was a difference between Euro and US Levis, and as an uninformed buyer I wouldn't value them differently (I'd value based on cloth or cut ... so selvedge 511s good, stonewash 501s bad, very bad).

With the other examples (Fender in particular), you are not talking about a like-for-like product anyway. Mexican Fenders are specifically sold as slightly cheaper alternatives, and in most cases are slightly different (colours, materials etc) from US versions.

If there were an observable quality difference between Thai and Italian made Scramblers, or if Ducati were offering the two products side by side, the point of origin may have an effect though.

In the end I think it comes down to the old aphorism used by Spike Milligan's mother when asked about his Britishness (he was born in India to British and Irish parents) "Just because a cat was born in an oven, that doesn't make it a casserole".

bm

 

[O2theL]

Bloody terrible for the environment though... Our bikes probably generate more pollution being assembled than in their lifetime of use.

Again, I think that the Lifecycle Cost Analysis (LCA) would show that it's more environmentally friendly to keep the existing Italian engine manufacturing plant open and ship engines (100+ per container), than open up a new plant. It's kind of my day job to work on this type of thing.

 

[Badgermat]

Scrambler is "assembled" in Thailand.

Shipping engines in a shipping container is very common in automotive supply chain - Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, etc, all do. Shipping costs are far less significant than moving an entire production line from Italy to Thailand.
The Scrambler engine is legacy from the Monster and continues the use of that capital equipment set-up in Italy.

Absolutely agree with this. Effectively, the Thai operation will be assembling kits. Anything else just wouldn't make financial sense for a bike selling in Scrambler volumes.

bm

 

[AJS]

Fair comment Badgermat. But there are many scenarios out there where provenance makes a difference and is reflected in value and noticeably in build quality: American Levis vs European Levis, American Fender guitar vs Mexican Fender guitar, Cornish Pasty from Cornwall, Cornish Pasty from Bolton (eeuuuww)....etc. Just a thought.

Ay nowt wrong with Cornish pasties from BOLTON like most things ( what made you pick bolton I ask )

 

[LadyBishop]

Ay nowt wrong with Cornish pasties from BOLTON like most things ( what made you pick bolton I ask )

It isn't in Cornwall

 

[Derek]

A bit off topic but aren't Cornish pasties protected under EU law? ie They can't be called Cornish pasties unless the are made in Cornwall. The town I come from has Forfar Bridies (look that one up). Much better than pasties

 

[Mr Munck]

ok ok. I'll bite..... what the hell is a Cornish pastie?

 

[Badgermat]

ok ok. I'll bite..... what the hell is a Cornish pastie?

Bite away

A folded-over meat and vegetable pie designed for Cornish tin miners to eat with their fingers without poisoning themselves (held by the crust, which is discarded).

 

[Derek]

FYI. Forfar Bridie : Bridie - Wikipedia The same idea as a Cornish pastie but without the vegetables.

 

[moonlighter]

Pastry meat vegetables gravy all good don't matter where come from it's all just made me hungry


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[Mr Munck]

OK well frankly that sounds delicious.

 

[LadyBishop]

Dont mention gravy in a pasty to the cornish....

 

[moonlighter]

Who doesn't like gravy ,my mate says if you can't put gravy on it it isn't food


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