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Hi,

Some feedback for anyone interested in a Termignoni slip-on: don’t.

June 2018: install and remap (Scrambler Sixty2) by Ducati Hanoi

July 2018: After ~1000km, the weldings holding a metal plate directing/balancing air flows in the resonator failed. Whole exhaust replaced under warranty in August 2018

September 2018: After ~1000km, the same weldings failed, again. Whole exhaust replaced under warranty in February 2019 (dealer had to “send the part to Ducati Italy for investigation” - I live in Vietnam).

March 2019, guess what? Weldings failed in the resonator, again. Asked for a refund.

The techs in HCMC then tried to re-weld the metal plate. Rattling a bit when I picked up the bike (“it’s your foot pegs”), full failure after 70 kilometers.

Then, they simply removed it. Without asking. Yep, they removed that metal plate designed to balance air flows in the resonator. No rattle, of course, but sounds like sh*t, loud, far from the sweet brass instrument-like “Italian sound” I happily experienced for a total of a few weeks, and I’m dubious about long-term effect of air flows randomly mixing in the resonator..

Poor design and/or an ongoing unsolved manufacturing issue, many, many people affected by the exact same problem, I really wonder why there is no #Termigate yet and how Ducati is still knowingly selling such a crap product.


https://www.scramblerforum.com/thre...re-warranty-denied-for-cosmetic-scratch.2915/
"I finally figured out it was the resonator can on my Termi exhaust. From what I can tell, an internal weld failed and something now rattles inside."

https://www.scramblerforum.com/threads/so-my-second-termignoni-race-pipe-has-broken-again.3476/
"my Termignoni race slip on broke after about 200-300 miles of it being fitted by the dealership... well i had it replaced with no issues and all going well... a month later and guess what... yep! It's broken again, exactly the same thing"

https://www.scramblerforum.com/threads/termignoni-race-line-exhaust-rattling.28097/#post-202017
"has anyone on here had any experience with a rattling noise coming from their Termignoni race line exhaust? Sounds like it's coming from the resonator chamber that's under the center of the swingarm It's a known issue with these systems (the salesperson is aware of it - as a manufacturing defect)."

https://www.scramblerforum.com/threads/termignoni-race-line-exhaust-rattling.28097/#post-202017
"Same happened to me but I had about 6 months warranty left, the welds on the resonator now look slightly bigger than the original and I've not had any more issues for 18 months"

https://www.ducatiscramblerforum.co...-diy/38921-termignoni-exhaust-rattle-fix.html
"I had to get mine replaced under warranty twice... they both went at around 4000kms"

https://www.ducatiscramblerforum.co...nty-denied-cosmetic-scratch-4.html#post181513
"I am having this problem as well. There is something clanking and rattling in the Cat."

https://www.scramblerforum.com/threads/you-know-that-lovely-termi-race-slip-on-it-broke.3279/
"after 250-300 miles it developed a rattle. This plate broke it's welds and was rattling inside the exhaust!"

https://www.ducatiscramblerforum.co...nty-denied-cosmetic-scratch-6.html#post210921
"Well this is lame... it's back. I noticed it yesterday. It lasted less than a month. The little internal tack welds are clearly a very bad design."

https://www.ducatiscramblerforum.co...nty-denied-cosmetic-scratch-6.html#post239426
"1400 miles later and the same part is failing again."

https://www.ducatiscramblerforum.co...nty-denied-cosmetic-scratch-7.html#post263889
"My resonator popped today, took it to the dealer this morning and they took it off and it clearly had a bad rattle to it."
 

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Woah, thanks for sharing this. Definitely makes me a little nervous about purchasing the termi. Maybe I’ll have to look for alternative options.
 

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I remember test riding an Icon in 2015 that had the Race Termi fitted.

Decided to stay well clear on the spot, the construction of the outer body of the exhaust looked very rough. Messy welds, weak looking bracket attaching it to the footrest...
For the cost of the thing, it looked very poor quality. I assumed it may have been just an early production issue, as Scrambler deliveries hadn't even started but looks like it wasn't.

The 3rd party aftermarket options from the likes of SC Project, Akrapovic, Werkes USA, Remus etc... all look much better made and some use Titanium rather than just steel. The SC Project Conic particularly, even came with rubber mounted hanger, rather than just welded on. Fit and finish was far above the 'Termignoni'

The SC Project Conic is half the price...

Shop around. Manufacturer/Dealer accessories aren't guaranteed to be good quality.
 

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Thanks Josh, my biggest concern with aftermarket is the need for updating the ECU ... Would I need a tune if I ran the akrapovic for example ?
 

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Thanks Josh, my biggest concern with aftermarket is the need for updating the ECU ... Would I need a tune if I ran the akrapovic for example ?
Any exhaust that removes the catalytic converter will need an ECU tune to run properly. Which on the Scrambler is all of them, as the cat basically is the entire exhaust.

The Race Termi also needs an ECU tune, but they just supply a standard 'up-map' with it.

Not sure on availability in Vietnam but lots of main dealers offer Rexxer maps they can load in to adjust the ECU to match your setup. You can of course buy the Rexxer unit yourself and load in any maps you want from their selection but it costs much more.
 

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Hi Gort, What year and month did you purchase the bike / exhaust? Is there any chance the design was fixed?
I had a total of 3 different exhausts in 12 months (bought in june 2018). The last one had the "new" mate black can, but the resonator ("de-cat") was exactly the same. Clearly a design issue, the metal plate in the resonator should *maybe* have some small hooks so it can be welded both inside *and* outside (or only outside if there is no way the internal weldings can stand the heat/air flow).
Usually, weldings break on one side, then on the other. Once it's fully broken, it is much more obvious without the baffler: it will sound like the can is full of nails, I had some people asking about that at red lights :)
As the metal plate is freely moving in the resonator, the sound will randomly change, and rattling can be almost unnoticeable when the metal plate moves and hold in the correct position.. sometimes.
I sent some feedback to customer care and have to visit the dealer asap for news about the issue, I will update.....
 

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Hi Gort, What year and month did you purchase the bike / exhaust? Is there any chance the design was fixed?
May 2016, had the dealer install it and flash it with the provided chip. Have no idea if the internals are different than the current crop.
 

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Valentin, out of curiosity, did you ride from Hanoi to HCMC or did your bike get on a train for some of the trip?

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Valentin, out of curiosity, did you ride from Hanoi to HCMC or did your bike get on a train for some of the trip?
Literally thrown in a bus trunk once, but never on a train :)
(did 40000 km in 2 years, including Hanoi-HCMC a few times, HN-DN many times, trips to *all* provinces, and trips to Laos)

Check out https://www.vinalib.com/stock/vietnam/highlights/, almost all pictures are from trips with the Scrambler :)
 

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Impressive. Love riding that country. Da Nang is my favorite, truth be told, but I haven't been to Da Lat yet. I'll have to check out your album when I'm not on my work computer.

I wasn't permitted to ride in Laos regrettably but it's on my list now that I've changed jobs.

Cheers!
 

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Any exhaust that removes the catalytic converter will need an ECU tune to run properly. Which on the Scrambler is all of them, as the cat basically is the entire exhaust.

The Race Termi also needs an ECU tune, but they just supply a standard 'up-map' with it.

Not sure on availability in Vietnam but lots of main dealers offer Rexxer maps they can load in to adjust the ECU to match your setup. You can of course buy the Rexxer unit yourself and load in any maps you want from their selection but it costs much more.
The guys from Zard are saying that you don't have to modify the ECU.
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The guys from Zard are saying that you don't have to modify the ECU.
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Technically you can... but you probably shouldn’t.

I ran mine with an SC Project Conic without a remap for a week and the bike ran like dogshit. Loss of power, smell of fuel and just felt off. Some have managed without, so may vary but removing the cat is a huge change to the flow of the exhaust system. Ducati themselves remap the bike to suit the race termi...
 

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Update (October 16): received another brand new resonator -4th one- with seriously hardened welds. Bike feels completely different and sounds as it should: fantastic :)
 
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