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I have just ordered a TomTom Rider 410 GPS for my FT and have been doing a little research on fitting so thought I would share my findings.

First mounting, I am going to get a RAM ball mount and fit it to the handlebar clamp, looks neater than using the TomTom supplied clamp. To see one just search for M8 Ram Mount and you will see what I mean.

Second wiring, I have been looking around the net for the best place to wire the GPS into. Looking at the wiring loom there should be two sockets for heated grips but I am not sure where they are or how easy they are to get to. The general consensus is to use the power to the USB socket. Looking at the bike there is a white socket right next to the USB, this is the connector for the socket, you can pull it out without removing the battery cover. I should be able to feed the wires into this socket and then close it again, I will let you know how I get on.

Feeding the cable to the back could be tricky, other posts suggest lifting the tank but I will take a look and see if I can get it through without doing this or not.

I will post pictures and a description when I fit the GPS.
 

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Yes, I've been told that the USB socket on the sat nav unit is not waterproof but the hard wired connection is. I will check this when the sat nav arrives in the next couple of days and report back.

You can't power from the USB socket to the hard wire cable either as the voltage is different.

Others have wired straight to the battery but that doesn't switch off when you remove the key and can lead to a flat battery if you leave the sat nav on the bike.
 

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Yes, I've been told that the USB socket on the sat nav unit is not waterproof but the hard wired connection is. I will check this when the sat nav arrives in the next couple of days and report back.
You can't power from the USB socket to the hard wire cable either as the voltage is different.
Others have wired straight to the battery but that doesn't switch off when you remove the key and can lead to a flat battery if you leave the sat nav on the bike.
Ahh, I'm with you now. The hardwire connection is 12v. Easiest option is usually wiring it into the front headlight, keeps the cable routing simple but I was helping a friend with this on his monster and identifying the headlight cable is not easy!

Finding the rear light cable is pretty easy on the Scrambler but that means running the cable back under the tank as well. Shouldn't be too bad as there are a few things running just under the tank anyway but the USB power supply does sound like a good choice.

I don't imagine you'll have to lift the tank. Pretty sure it will be possible to get a cable tie around something under there.
 

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Ran mine on the left underside of tank as easier route and wanted option to quickly disconnect from usb power and remove the whole satnav cradle (zumo 390)
No need to lift tank
 

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I have a TomTom Rider 410 fitted with the standard Ram mount to the left of the handle bars centre. Ran the cable down following the other wires, under the tank along the right hand side. Looped the cable around the frame under the seat, loads of cable left just tied this up with the cable tie that comes with the cable.

To connect, I removed the USB, one alum key, cut the two wires near the plug, used two cable connectors to reconnect including the two GPS cables. Crimped the connectors then shrunk connector plastic (self sealing type off eBay) with a hair drier to make water right. I then just wrapped the whole lot tightly with black electricians tape to make it neat.

Replaced the USB, pushed the cables down the gap where they were originally.

All connected, looks neat, took about 20 mins for the lot.

I can provide pictures if the above is not enough or if anyone wants to see.
 

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I bought a Ducati Garmin unit and fitted via a ram bolt to one of the handle bar studs (see pic). Got the dealer to wire it in (on/off with the ignition). No issues, handy to find petrol stations.
 

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I tried on my last ride to power my Rider 410, via a USB cable and it was constantly missing power, because the USB cable contact are not firm enough for a vibrating bike like ours.

For my next trip, I'll use the 12 volts power base, which is really waterproof and gives good contact. I'll re-use the power line I've installed for my heated grips. I've installed them with an AMP waterproof connector near the USB plug, it's very easy to disconnect and connect the power line for my Rider which I've also equipped with the same AMP connector.

The cable is routed under the tank to the steering column, without lifting the tank, just following the frame with nylstop collars to hold the cable.
 

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Hello

I tried on my last ride to power my Rider 410, via a USB cable and it was constantly missing power, because the USB cable contact are not firm enough for a vibrating bike like ours.

For my next trip, I'll use the 12 volts power base, which is really waterproof and gives good contact. I'll re-use the power line I've installed for my heated grips. I've installed them with an AMP waterproof connector near the USB plug, it's very easy to disconnect and connect the power line for my Rider which I've also equipped with the same AMP connector.

The cable is routed under the tank to the steering column, without lifting the tank, just following the frame with nylstop collars to hold the cable.
Whaa? I use my USB to power my phone mounted to my bars all the time. The built in USB port holds the standard iPhone cable no problem. Maybe try another USB cable? Could be that the one you used was slightly smaller than standard.
 

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The problem doesn't come from the bike USB socket, but from the GPS socket. It's not intended to be used to power it on the bike. There is a dedicated socket for that, waterproof and solid, but powered in 12 volts.


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I'm following you now, it's the GPS unit end of the cable. My friends TomTom is the same setup. He didn't manage to wire up the cradle before our summer trip and relied on the non-waterproof regular USB connection. He did actually have a problem with it falling out once or twice on his Monster.
Fortunately my waterproof phone case holds the charging cable inside the enclosure, which has the added benefit of not allowing it to move or fall out.
 

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Never had any issue powering mine from underseat usb regardless of engine vibration or anything else and have used mine for all day sometimes
 

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Never had any issue powering mine from underseat usb regardless of engine vibration or anything else and have used mine for all day sometimes
This is weird TC3, garmin specifically told me the usb output voltage was insufficient to power the device and charge it. I.E. it would just stop once your device battery was flat, about 4 hours.
 

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This is weird TC3, garmin specifically told me the usb output voltage was insufficient to power the device and charge it. I.E. it would just stop once your device battery was flat, about 4 hours.
Odd as when i turn ignition on and off the gps gets turned on and off like in a car set up. When ignition is on the charging indicator lights up too.
 

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Odd as when i turn ignition on and off the gps gets turned on and off like in a car set up. When ignition is on the charging indicator lights up too.
Maybe there was a misunderstanding and they just thought i was going to try to power it off just a usb cable and not use the garmin transformer lead.
 
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