[kopper]

hi guys

I am having this issue which I am not sure If I am going to explain correctly - I mean I was not really able to find the word that describes the noise I hear - ...

when going to 4th to 5th or 6th, happens mostly when going from 5th to 6th and also I am seeing when going to low gears I think it happens when going from 5th to 4th gear

the issue is I change gears using the shifter as usual then I hear a noise like coming from engine and what I have to do is to shift again to the gear I was intended to go

let's say I mean 5th gear and I shift to 6th gear but I get that noise like I am in 5.5 gear so I have to apply clutch again and shift again to have everything in order

it's like the gear try to shift but it stays engaging and i have to shift again to let it finally engage the gear I want my motorcycle to go

any idea?

thanks a lot

 

[rider]

is it still positively in the previous gear or is it going into a false neutral ?

 

[dawid]

It happens to me as well and as rider mentioned, it's called "fake neutral". There are two different possibilities of it:
- gears fully disengage and engine behaves exactly like on normal neutral (normal engine sound, without any specific noise)
- gears are not fully disengaged what causes terrible rattling in a gearbox - I am sure this is what you hear

It's quite normal in Ducati bikes and with time it will be better and better. The gearbox has to simply break in

 

[kopper]

is it still positively in the previous gear or is it going into a false neutral ?

rider
it's still in previous gear

 

[kopper]

It happens to me as well and as rider mentioned, it's called "fake neutral". There are two different possibilities of it:
- gears fully disengage and engine behaves exactly like on normal neutral (normal engine sound, without any specific noise)
- gears are not fully disengaged what causes terrible rattling in a gearbox - I am sure this is what you hear

It's quite normal in Ducati bikes and with time it will be better and better. The gearbox has to simply break in

dawid this is the scenario
- gears are not fully disengaged what causes terrible rattling in a gearbox - I am sure this is what you hear
because of the sound I realized is still in previous gear

In my bike it's not getting any better right not 4000km and I still having

 

[Max Kool]

All joints of the shift lever properly lubed?

 

[rider]

rider
it's still in previous gear

It could be that the spring on the gear selector assembly has weakened or broken and the lever is not always catching the gear selector drum pawl, that is sometimes it rotates the drum and other times it is not rotating the drum.
In any case I think that the side has to come off and the gear selector assembly inspected for proper operation.

 

[kopper]

All joints of the shift lever properly lubed?

really not sure about that I don't do maintenance on that part

 

[kopper]

It could be that the spring on the gear selector assembly has weakened or broken and the lever is not always catching the gear selector drum pawl, that is sometimes it rotates the drum and other times it is not rotating the drum.
In any case I think that the side has to come off and the gear selector assembly inspected for proper operation.

I think it's better not to ride any more my motorcycle and take it to the dealer then

continue riding it I think can do some more damage

 

[Max Kool]

really not sure about that I don't do maintenance on that part

Check these first. Make sure the lever rotates smoothly, same with the ball joins.

 

[kopper]

Check these first. Make sure the lever rotates smoothly, same with the ball joins.

Max do you mean all the external parts?

 

[Max Kool]

Yep

Shift lever bushing, the two ball joints. I'm putting my money on lubing the shift pedal.

 

[kopper]

Yep

Shift lever bushing, the two ball joints. I'm putting my money on lubing the shift pedal.

Will do that

today is cleaning day I will be lubing those parts then

thanks

 

[Damnation]

My bike has the same issue, but it happens rarer now that I have ridden almost 17000 km. It tends to occur mostly when I shift several gears, fast.. the dealership asked me to try and shift slower and firmly, and it helps. This being my first bike and all, I wouldnt know if its a driver error or mechanical issue, but I'm quite sure Honda owners do not have this problem.

 

[kopper]

My bike has the same issue, but it happens rarer now that I have ridden almost 17000 km. It tends to occur mostly when I shift several gears, fast.. the dealership asked me to try and shift slower and firmly, and it helps. This being my first bike and all, I wouldnt know if its a driver error or mechanical issue, but I'm quite sure Honda owners do not have this problem.

I am basically worried if that damages in some way the mechanical parts, i am calling my dealer on Monday and after that we see if we need to take the bike to the shop

 

[rider]

I am basically worried if that damages in some way the mechanical parts, i am calling my dealer on Monday and after that we see if we need to take the bike to the shop

Yes, if the selector assembly spring is broken it could eventually fall off and be free to end up floating around inside the side cover with all the gears and cogs,,,,,

 

[Max Kool]

If the selector spring is broken you have bigger problems, and btw, is this a known weak spot? I never heard of specific gearbox problems with these engines...

Serious, I had the exact same problem on a BMW. I replaced the pivot bushing in the shift pedal and lubed the ball joints. Problem solved.

 

[Derek]

One of the 2 gear mechanism springs on mine broke and the broken off piece wedged in the driving gears from the starter, jamming the starter. It was fixed under warranty. I'm not sure which spring but I suspect the selector fork return spring as I hadn't noticed any prior problem, although it must have happened very soon before jamming the starter. If the lever return spring had broken I would have been aware of the floppy lever.

 

[Max Kool]

After how many miles?

 

[Derek]

At about 2500 miles