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Well I am going to bare my soul here of a problem which may make me have to abandon my affair with the Desert Sled which I have had for a year now and 12,000 km. The bike is tall, but I have got used to that. What I can't get used to is having to be so very, very careful of where I have to stop and put the bike on the side stand. This was thrown into stark focus today when my mate on a Triumph and me both had to park at a pull over at the start of a very steep track down to a gorge. The pull over had a slight camber right to left. My mate flicked out his side stand and stepped off his Triumph. I flicked out my side stand and the gap between it and touch down was 3". If I had tried to lean the bike over then I would not have been able to support it before the side stand took over and, with the soft ground, I am sure I would have dropped the bike. A brick sorted the problem but I can't rely on a riding mate always having a brick to hand!. Now I write this out it just sounds like a moan but I ride all sorts of places including cobbled streets in old villages and many times the camber is not perfect and I just hate the constant risk of dropping the bike just because the camber isn't perfect. Is anybody else bugged by this or am I on my own?
 

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I can understand as I don't like dropping a bike.
I really don't like the off camber stuff and when a bike is too tall it becomes a constant worry.
I think the original ICON Scramblers had shorter suspension, maybe trade for one of those???
Or take some riders classes which would give you some skillets and make you a more confident rider.
In the U.S. we have a BMW Riders school called Raw Hyde.
There is a guy on Youtube who is a flat out master at the GS and does training schools.
Don't give up, carry a brick with you at all times and a riding buddy nearby.


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I'm not sure what Triumph your mate has but the side stand on the Tiger 800 series is the worst side stand ever fitted to any motorcycle ever. People constantly complain about it on Tiger forums. It stands the bike to upright and many owners fear that the bike will tip to the right plus if there is even a minute downhill slope the bike will roll forward and off the stand if it is not left in gear every single time.
I can't speak for the Sled stand but the stand on my Full Throttle is way better than the stand on my Tiger from and engineering and stability in use point of view.
Welding a piece of metal on the foot of your stand to make the bike sit more upright should not be overly difficult for somebody with fabrication experience.
 

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Thanks for the replies. The Triumph was a 2014 900cc Scrambler. Training is of course good and I acknowledge that my slow speed driving on the Desert Sled is way worse than it was on the BMW's and Triumphs I have owned and the height of the bike and the high up weight cause me problems. Welding an extension on the side stand is definitely an option. What I should have done at the lay by mentioned in the OP is to have driven through and reversed back, camber woukd then have been in my favour.
 

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I feel you man, it's been similar for me on occasion. I just find I have to be mindful of how I'm positioning the bike when parking it. It can be a hassle at times repositioning but it doesn't outweigh all the great things I love about the bike.
 

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Mate, I feel your pain. As if the bike didn’t sit so upright I put a footpad on the stand. I had to grind the stop off the top of the side stand to compensate, now if I park in the wrong place I have trouble flicking the stand up because my legs aren’t long enough. Can be very embarrassing & potentially dangerous. If anyone has any ideas, I’m all ears
 

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My 2020 CR has a side stand that is too upright. I can't even think of parking it with the stand uphill - even just for the engine warm-up. My wife's R3 has a great stand that leans the bike nicely.
 

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Well I am going to bare my soul here of a problem which may make me have to abandon my affair with the Desert Sled which I have had for a year now and 12,000 km. The bike is tall, but I have got used to that. What I can't get used to is having to be so very, very careful of where I have to stop and put the bike on the side stand. This was thrown into stark focus today when my mate on a Triumph and me both had to park at a pull over at the start of a very steep track down to a gorge. The pull over had a slight camber right to left. My mate flicked out his side stand and stepped off his Triumph. I flicked out my side stand and the gap between it and touch down was 3". If I had tried to lean the bike over then I would not have been able to support it before the side stand took over and, with the soft ground, I am sure I would have dropped the bike. A brick sorted the problem but I can't rely on a riding mate always having a brick to hand!. Now I write this out it just sounds like a moan but I ride all sorts of places including cobbled streets in old villages and many times the camber is not perfect and I just hate the constant risk of dropping the bike just because the camber isn't perfect. Is anybody else bugged by this or am I on my own?
You can lower the bike a fair bit. I had the same problem and dislocated my shoulder from falling off at walking speed. Hit a slippery log and couldn't put my foot down. I got the lower seat, the cut this down even further, then dropped the triple clamps a good 40-50mm and sorted the rear sag out. I am 5'6" and it is now fine and yes the stand needs to be cut down a bit which is an easy fix with a grinder and welder.
 

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Mate, I feel your pain. As if the bike didn’t sit so upright I put a footpad on the stand. I had to grind the stop off the top of the side stand to compensate, now if I park in the wrong place I have trouble flicking the stand up because my legs aren’t long enough. Can be very embarrassing & potentially dangerous. If anyone has any ideas, I’m all ears


Here's a good hack for the side stand. The PO of my sled solved his similar frustrations by welding a tab/narrow tube to the stand a couple inches up from the base. Easily reached and works as intended!

Sled Side Stand Hack.jpg
 

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You can lower the bike a fair bit. I had the same problem and dislocated my shoulder from falling off at walking speed. Hit a slippery log and couldn't put my foot down. I got the lower seat, the cut this down even further, then dropped the triple clamps a good 40-50mm and sorted the rear sag out. I am 5'6" and it is now fine and yes the stand needs to be cut down a bit which is an easy fix with a grinder and welder.
Hi Memla,
What did you do to the rear shock to lower the bike? Softer spring, a lot of sag???? I'd love to know.
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Just set the sag for my weight which is light - 56 kilo so it is not at full extension all the time so I can touch the ground with both feet. So bugger all pre tension on the spring as I don't need much. Needs more work on the compression and rebound as at full tilt on dirt downhill the back bouncers around a bit however the front tracks well (have sorted that pretty well with some fiddling). It also bottoms over jumps but is a heavy 'dirt bike'. Can't ride much at the moment as I am in Melbourne and we are still locked down.
 

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Hey Guys! I'm 5'3" with a 27" inseam so yeah, I'm short. The Sled is way too tall for me but I loved it and had to have it. Here's everything I do to cope with it. First, I've been riding for 38 years so have a fair bit of experience balancing bikes. It's not a huge deal for me to slide a butt cheek off the bike when I come to a stop. That's just one small thing. I also bought a much larger foot pad for the kickstand which helps with the "falling over on its kickstand" problem. I have dropped the bike twice, once of each side, because of the very problem the OP wrote. So...here goes. The stock seat height is 34.9". I bought the factory Low Seat which lowers it by .9" so that brings it down to 34". Still tall. Right now my bike is in the shop for the following modifications: I bought a lowering bracket from wildhairaccessories.com which will lower it another .9". That will put it at 33.1". Now we're getting somewhere. Next, I wanted to kill two birds with one stone...fix the awful seat AND lower it. I bought a gel pad and instructed the seat guy to install it but cut another .5" out of the foam after the gel pad was installed. That should put me at 32.6". Very manageable.

I'm on the Desert Sled Owners forum on Facebook and one of the guys on there is raving about these Dunlop Mutant tires saying not only do they work great, but they lowered his bike "a LOT." His emphasis. So far I haven't been able to find any here in the States but even if they lower the bike another .5"...that will put the Sled at 32.1" which is very, very, comfortable for me. So I'm on the lookout for those.

I struggled with the idea of lowering it as I've never lowered any of my other bikes, which have all been sportbikes. I never wanted to lose the functionality for which the bike was designed. But...I'm a novice dirt rider and don't ever plan on ever doing any hard-core off-roading so I figured I could lose that .9" of ground clearance and not hurt anything. It'll be fine for the fire roads and trails I ride.

Hope this helps!!!
 

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Hey Guys! I'm 5'3" with a 27" inseam so yeah, I'm short. The Sled is way too tall for me but I loved it and had to have it. Here's everything I do to cope with it. First, I've been riding for 38 years so have a fair bit of experience balancing bikes. It's not a huge deal for me to slide a butt cheek off the bike when I come to a stop. That's just one small thing. I also bought a much larger foot pad for the kickstand which helps with the "falling over on its kickstand" problem. I have dropped the bike twice, once of each side, because of the very problem the OP wrote. So...here goes. The stock seat height is 34.9". I bought the factory Low Seat which lowers it by .9" so that brings it down to 34". Still tall. Right now my bike is in the shop for the following modifications: I bought a lowering bracket from wildhairaccessories.com which will lower it another .9". That will put it at 33.1". Now we're getting somewhere. Next, I wanted to kill two birds with one stone...fix the awful seat AND lower it. I bought a gel pad and instructed the seat guy to install it but cut another .5" out of the foam after the gel pad was installed. That should put me at 32.6". Very manageable.

I'm on the Desert Sled Owners forum on Facebook and one of the guys on there is raving about these Dunlop Mutant tires saying not only do they work great, but they lowered his bike "a LOT." His emphasis. So far I haven't been able to find any here in the States but even if they lower the bike another .5"...that will put the Sled at 32.1" which is very, very, comfortable for me. So I'm on the lookout for those.

I struggled with the idea of lowering it as I've never lowered any of my other bikes, which have all been sportbikes. I never wanted to lose the functionality for which the bike was designed. But...I'm a novice dirt rider and don't ever plan on ever doing any hard-core off-roading so I figured I could lose that .9" of ground clearance and not hurt anything. It'll be fine for the fire roads and trails I ride.

Hope this helps!!!
Well done Duck I am the opposite that I was a dirt rider first and prefer it and have dropped the Sled a lot. Broken brake lever (now it is a folding one as is the gear shift), mirrors, rear guard, scratched tank and bent exhaust. Bark Busters are great as is a high exhaust and a decent bash plate (you have to mount on something decent though).
 

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MEMLA...I've had my Sled for 3 years but haven't modified it much. I put the Low Seat on as mentioned and I also installed the Ducati luggage rack. The list of mods I want to do is: Barkbusters, heated grips, flyscreen, some kind of luggage, maybe a top box. I bent both the brake and clutch levers as well as both the gear shift and foot brake levers. I've replaced the gear shift lever with a billet Ducabike one and the brake and foot brake levers are on order.
 

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Good stuff I had a fly screen but it was too small for long distance rides so I made a monster out of a sheet of 3mm acrylic
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I bought the Givi screen which is a little shorter than that and I hated it. The buffeting was too much. Wearing an ADV helmet was impossible. It's just sitting in my garage collecting dust.
 

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No buffeting with mine, can sit on 130k's bolt upright with no wind. I was jealous of the GS guys so I had to come up with a solution and it doesn't get in your way in the dirt either. Was going to progress to a sliding up and down one but this worked so well I didn't bother.
 

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Hey Guys! I'm 5'3" with a 27" inseam so yeah, I'm short. The Sled is way too tall for me but I loved it and had to have it. Here's everything I do to cope with it. First, I've been riding for 38 years so have a fair bit of experience balancing bikes. It's not a huge deal for me to slide a butt cheek off the bike when I come to a stop. That's just one small thing. I also bought a much larger foot pad for the kickstand which helps with the "falling over on its kickstand" problem. I have dropped the bike twice, once of each side, because of the very problem the OP wrote. So...here goes. The stock seat height is 34.9". I bought the factory Low Seat which lowers it by .9" so that brings it down to 34". Still tall. Right now my bike is in the shop for the following modifications: I bought a lowering bracket from wildhairaccessories.com which will lower it another .9". That will put it at 33.1". Now we're getting somewhere. Next, I wanted to kill two birds with one stone...fix the awful seat AND lower it. I bought a gel pad and instructed the seat guy to install it but cut another .5" out of the foam after the gel pad was installed. That should put me at 32.6". Very manageable.

I'm on the Desert Sled Owners forum on Facebook and one of the guys on there is raving about these Dunlop Mutant tires saying not only do they work great, but they lowered his bike "a LOT." His emphasis. So far I haven't been able to find any here in the States but even if they lower the bike another .5"...that will put the Sled at 32.1" which is very, very, comfortable for me. So I'm on the lookout for those.

I struggled with the idea of lowering it as I've never lowered any of my other bikes, which have all been sportbikes. I never wanted to lose the functionality for which the bike was designed. But...I'm a novice dirt rider and don't ever plan on ever doing any hard-core off-roading so I figured I could lose that .9" of ground clearance and not hurt anything. It'll be fine for the fire roads and trails I ride.

Hope this helps!!!
Thanks for this. I also saw the back suspension lowering part and contacted the supplier you mention but they could not explain to me how it works, I guess it is some type of stepped collar, is that correct? Are you going to drop the forks as well? Thanks for your excellent write up.
 

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Thanks for this. I also saw the back suspension lowering part and contacted the supplier you mention but they could not explain to me how it works, I guess it is some type of stepped collar, is that correct? Are you going to drop the forks as well? Thanks for your excellent write up.
I couldn't figure out how it works even after I got it. But when my mechanic held it up to the shock mount and explained it to me, I could see it. It basically is like you said, a stepped collar that sets the shock down in the mounting point.

Yes, I will be dropping the forks. I can only drop them so far though because they would hit the handlebars if I went too far. Luckily, it appears the amount I can drop them will match almost exactly the amount the lowering bracket will lower the rear.

I can't wait for it to be done! Another reason I'm lowering it is because I want to ride my son on the back. I was using my friends Triumph Speed Twin for that but he returned from his deployment and took his bike to Colorado. Rat Bastard! I do not and would not want to ride my son on the Sled if my footing was the least bit sketchy. Hopefully, I will be comfortable enough on it to start giving my son rides again.
 
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