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One of the winter "projects" I have planned is to convert the spoked wheels on my Classic to full tubeless.

I travel a lot, and live in constant fear of getting a flat somewhere far from civilization.

There are a lot of DYI type methods out there for doing this conversion, but none of them are easy - and most do not allow for spke adjustment after the procedure.

OUTEX is a company in Japan which rectifies all this. They produce a kit for a wide variety of bikes that is safe, secure and allows for spoke tigtening after installation. Here is a video of their solution...


They are VERY popular in the SuperMOTO and HD markets, and now offer a kit specifically for the Scrambler (this is important, as the Scrambler spoked rims have a "unique" profile on the front, where the channel is very narrow).

The part # for the Scrambler kit is FR305D.

For those of you in the USA, I recommend you contact FrameCrafters in Union, IL (phone # 815-923-4537), as they have a good relationship with the Japanese firm, and can get stock easily.

For those in other areas, here is a link to OUTEX' site - scroll to the bottom for a list of international distributors.

tubeless kit supermoto wheel rim rk excel outex
 

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I just can't understand if they have prepared the head of the spokes before placing the first tape. It seems so but there's nothing in their kits about that.
Spoke head prep is only recommended where the heads are very bulbous, and protrude more than 1/2" inside the rim.

The Scrambler does not have this issue.


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theres a lot of detail around these tubeless conversion systems on the ducati sport classic forum- and also incidentally the bmw r nine t forum.
Generally they get a postive ratings. I have cast wheels but Im tempted by spokes and considering alpina wheels
 

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theres a lot of detail around these tubeless conversion systems on the ducati sport classic forum- and also incidentally the bmw r nine t forum.
Generally they get a postive ratings. I have cast wheels but Im tempted by spokes and considering alpina wheels
The Alpina wheels are obviously already fully tubeless - but ridiculously expensive (almost 1/4 the full purchase price of a Scrambler). The Alpina conversion kit is faulty - I've seen multiple failures with this kit - and its NOT available for the Scrambler anyway.
 

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The Alpina wheels are obviously already fully tubeless - but ridiculously expensive (almost 1/4 the full purchase price of a Scrambler). The Alpina conversion kit is faulty - I've seen multiple failures with this kit - and its NOT available for the Scrambler anyway.
thanks for the info.Id always been under the assumption that the alpina wheels were pretty good. I would not be interested in the conversion kit but would rather buy the wheel, spokes and hub. They work out at about 1450 pounds versus about 800 for the scrambler wheels.
But you do get the option to choose finishes on hub, spoke and rim.
But if youve seen multiple failures associated with this product -then I will heed your advice.
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thanks for the info.Id always been under the assumption that the alpina wheels were pretty good. I would not be interested in the conversion kit but would rather buy the wheel, spokes and hub. They work out at about 1450 pounds versus about 800 for the scrambler wheels.
But you do get the option to choose finishes on hub, spoke and rim.
But if youve seen multiple failures associated with this product -then I will heed your advice.
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No... no failures with the Alpina WHEELS - just failures with the conversion kit.

The Alpina wheels themselves are very high quality - albeit at a cost.
 

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Do you know the weight of the Scrambler standard, Scrambler spoke and Alpina rims? I heard the Scrambler spoke rims are very heavy. If the Alpina rims would be significantly lighter, they may be worth a try...
I wouldn't want to spend 1000 bucks on a lot heavier rims, but always liked the spokes...
 

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Do you know the weight of the Scrambler standard, Scrambler spoke and Alpina rims? I heard the Scrambler spoke rims are very heavy. If the Alpina rims would be significantly lighter, they may be worth a try...
I wouldn't want to spend 1000 bucks on a lot heavier rims, but always liked the spokes...
It's actually the inner tubes that make the spoked wheels heavier - for the most part.

Unless you are Valentino Rossi you would never notice the difference in unsprung weight.
 

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Are you sure? Because it's rotating and a rotating wheel doesn't like changing it's directions

I once heard you will recognize a couple hundred grams and if the spokes are like 2 kg heavier...
I wouldn't say I would recognize 2kg with something like a lighter seat, but I do recognize the additional weight after filling the tank and that weight is not rotating.

But if it's just the tube, then this mod really sounds good.
 

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Are you sure? Because it's rotating and a rotating wheel doesn't like changing it's directions

I once heard you will recognize a couple hundred grams and if the spokes are like 2 kg heavier...
I wouldn't say I would recognize 2kg with something like a lighter seat, but I do recognize the additional weight after filling the tank and that weight is not rotating.

But if it's just the tube, then this mod really sounds good.
Having spent almost a decade on the racing circuit, I can assure you - 95+% of you out there would never feel the difference. Especially in everyday riding.
 

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One of the winter "projects" I have planned is to convert the spoked wheels on my Classic to full tubeless.

I travel a lot, and live in constant fear of getting a flat somewhere far from civilization.

There are a lot of DYI type methods out there for doing this conversion, but none of them are easy - and most do not allow for spke adjustment after the procedure.

OUTEX is a company in Japan which rectifies all this. They produce a kit for a wide variety of bikes that is safe, secure and allows for spoke tigtening after installation. Here is a video of their solution...


They are VERY popular in the SuperMOTO and HD markets, and now offer a kit specifically for the Scrambler (this is important, as the Scrambler spoked rims have a "unique" profile on the front, where the channel is very narrow).

The part # for the Scrambler kit is FR305D.

For those of you in the USA, I recommend you contact FrameCrafters in Union, IL (phone # 815-923-4537), as they have a good relationship with the Japanese firm, and can get stock easily.

For those in other areas, here is a link to OUTEX' site - scroll to the bottom for a list of international distributors.

tubeless kit supermoto wheel rim rk excel outex
I put in an order for my Scrambler today and Karsten, at the number listed above, is going to wait 24 hours before putting the order in to Japan just in case others want to also order.
 

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Hey guys, how did it go? I want to convert my rims into tubeless :). I guess I'll need to order the kit directly since there is no distributor en Central America :(
 

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I had a problem with leakage from the rear at the spoke head next to the join in the tape and had to repair that section. I would definitely advise grinding the spoke heads flush with the rim at either side of the join.
I haven't done the front yet and Outex have sent me a new replacement kit for the front with a wider tape and which includes small crescent-shaped pieces to fill the depression in the rim along side each spoke head.
 

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Yours are tubeless. If you have Ducati spoked wheels they have a tube in them but the MT60's are indeed tubeless.
Main reason I went solid wheels...plus the extra money which I spent on the Termi.
 

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I fitted my Outex kit a few months back, and have done about 4,000 miles on the wheels so far. I had an issue with the front wheel, and it was myself who had been in touch with Outex regarding the width of the front tape. They have since modified the kit and supply a wider tape. I have already fitted and tested the wider tape
Matsui at Outex is really in top of all of this, they give superb customer service. You DO need to grind the spoke heads down, this is covered in the instructions.
Since I fitted the wider tape to the front, I've had no issues at all. The rims are tubeless suitable, with a lip to retain the tyre bead should you lose pressure.
The kit has already proved itself for me, when I got a puncture in the middle of Morocco, and had it repaired in 10 minutes rather than struggling to remove the wheel/tyre, and patch/replace the tube.
 

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i have done the sillicone blob on the spoke nipples on my three sets of racing spoke wheels on my husky 530 racer , never had a prob , even tyre pressure NEVER has gone down when i lay bike up for winter , spring time test pressure and still up minus a few psi
 

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I have just taken delivery of an Outex kit for the scrambler. It cost me £116.00 plus £19.00 import duty direct from Outex via eBay. After seeing just how much work I need to do with my brand new spoke wheels, I've decided I really can't be bothered and will just fit tubes.

So, my kit is for sale, completely unused and I can confirm it's the latest version for Ducati Scrambler as of 26th April 2017.

I don't mind knocking a bit off the price because I want to recover my money but I'm not giving this kit away half price so please don't ask. If anyone is interested then let me know by PM and we can do a deal, else I'll put it on eBay.
 
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