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Just had valve service, £320, as expected. Having used this bike almost everyday (bought in september), I'm starting too realise that entry level doesn't mean cheap. If I continue to ride as I have been, that'll mean another £500 service before my year is up (15000 miles). I like riding and am rarely put off by the weather but it looks like its gonna cost.
My curiosity is centred around the Monster 821 I have been riding this week. A great bike to ride and to stare at. A couple of grand more expensive but much less servicing required. Comes with riding modes, proper suspension, comfortable seat, extra 50bhp etc etc.
You guys will have a hell of a lot more experience with these bikes so wondered what your view was. I did enjoy getting back on the scrambler but the 821 seemed a lot more bike.
 

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what we need is to fit an 821 motor to the Scrambler,,,,,,,
 

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Just had valve service, £320, as expected. Having used this bike almost everyday (bought in september), I'm starting too realise that entry level doesn't mean cheap. If I continue to ride as I have been, that'll mean another £500 service before my year is up (15000 miles). I like riding and am rarely put off by the weather but it looks like its gonna cost..
I've been riding before my Scrambler two other Ducati (both ST2) and, when I bought the first one, I also wonder about the maintenance costs after the first service. I had before this bike an Honda VFR800 and, as I had kept all the maintenance bills of this bike, I began a comparizon between the VFR and the ST2, to define their cost per km.

And, surprise... the VFR800 costed me 0.26 Euros / km, when the ST2 costed me 0.23 Euros / km (and even 0.22 Euros / km for the 1st one for which service has always been done by a Ducati dealer)
The cost of a bike is not only the service cost. You must take in account the initial price, the insurance, the price you've sold it, the fuel and so on...

You'll find all the details here :
- Le Web [email protected] > Budget d'entretien (Ducati maintenance for the 1st one and self maintenance for the second ST2, after the first 40000 km period done by the Ducati dealer)
- Le Web [email protected] > Budget d'entretien (all services done by Honda dealer)
 

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Just had valve service, £320, as expected. Having used this bike almost everyday (bought in september), I'm starting too realise that entry level doesn't mean cheap. If I continue to ride as I have been, that'll mean another £500 service before my year is up (15000 miles). I like riding and am rarely put off by the weather but it looks like its gonna cost.
My curiosity is centred around the Monster 821 I have been riding this week. A great bike to ride and to stare at. A couple of grand more expensive but much less servicing required. Comes with riding modes, proper suspension, comfortable seat, extra 50bhp etc etc.
You guys will have a hell of a lot more experience with these bikes so wondered what your view was. I did enjoy getting back on the scrambler but the 821 seemed a lot more bike.
That sounds cheap compared to what my dealers quoted for a proper valve adjustment service (£500+ !). However they said they don't do that service till 36k miles?
 

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Seems to be more sensible to go with the Ducati instruction rather than the dealer. Just means a few more visits and a few more quid.
 

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Seems to be more sensible to go with the Ducati instruction rather than the dealer. Just means a few more visits and a few more quid.
You're right. If you have any problem during the warranty period, Ducati will look only at two things : did you respect the service conditions and were the services done by a Ducati official dealer. If not, I'm afraid you may experience difficulties to get the warranty coverage.
 

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Just had valve service, £320, as expected. Having used this bike almost everyday (bought in september), I'm starting too realise that entry level doesn't mean cheap. If I continue to ride as I have been, that'll mean another £500 service before my year is up (15000 miles). I like riding and am rarely put off by the weather but it looks like its gonna cost.
My curiosity is centred around the Monster 821 I have been riding this week. A great bike to ride and to stare at. A couple of grand more expensive but much less servicing required. Comes with riding modes, proper suspension, comfortable seat, extra 50bhp etc etc.
You guys will have a hell of a lot more experience with these bikes so wondered what your view was. I did enjoy getting back on the scrambler but the 821 seemed a lot more bike.
The 821 is a whole lot more bike. Way more power & very good handling & excellent comfort. A very nice city & country road bike.:cya:
 

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I wanted the new 821 over the Scrambler but the the initial price and scrambler was more versatile, suiting my needs.

I truly feel the 821 is more beautiful and better performance wise.. But in needs and usage my Scrambler was the right decision for me.
 

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Just had valve service, £320, as expected. Having used this bike almost everyday (bought in september), I'm starting too realise that entry level doesn't mean cheap. If I continue to ride as I have been, that'll mean another £500 service before my year is up (15000 miles). I like riding and am rarely put off by the weather but it looks like its gonna cost.
My curiosity is centred around the Monster 821 I have been riding this week. A great bike to ride and to stare at. A couple of grand more expensive but much less servicing required. Comes with riding modes, proper suspension, comfortable seat, extra 50bhp etc etc.
You guys will have a hell of a lot more experience with these bikes so wondered what your view was. I did enjoy getting back on the scrambler but the 821 seemed a lot more bike.
I just looked up the servicing costs for both models on Ducati Glasgow's website. I'm assuming that although the cost may vary slightly from dealer to dealer, the relative costs for each bike will remain similar.
The Scrambler is quoted with a minor service at £230, a major service at £270 and a valve check and adjustment at £195.
The 821 simply has an annual service at £270 and a further £273 for a valve check and adjustment.
Assuming a 3 year period of ownership; The Scrambler will have had 2 minor services, 1 major service and most likely 1 valve adjustment. This would total £925
The 821 over the same 3 year period and miles would have had 3 annual services and 1 valve adjustment totalling £1,083.
Not a lot in it but the 821 is in fact slightly more expensive to maintain.
 

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...unless you do your riding everyday and the 2 main services and 2 sets of tyres have to be paid for on top of the extras you need to buy for the Scrambler before it suits your needs! The 821 has it all straight out of the box. I would be very picky if I felt I needed to improve it in any way. I've already spent the price of a new 821 just on 'bedding in' my scrambler and I have the prospect of more frequent servicing and extras to buy ahead of me. (extras btw are hypothetical regarding getting to the standard spec of an 821, for instance; modes, quality seat and suspension...). The only thing I felt I would need changed on the 821 are the grips, a simple case of GripPuppies would sort that.
 

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That sounds cheap compared to what my dealers quoted for a proper valve adjustment service (£500+ !). However they said they don't do that service till 36k miles?
That's way off. The Ducati service book states that the valves need checking at the second service (7500miles 12000km)

Ducati refer to this service as the 'Desmo service' and your bike will show the 'Desmo' service reminder when you hit 7500 miles. The services basically alternate, between oil (minor) and Desmo (major) each year. If you do a lot of mileage, this is obviously sped up.

I seem to average around 8000 miles a year, so will only have to service once. Good job, the Ducati is noticeably more to maintain than other similarly priced bikes.
 

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...unless you do your riding everyday and the 2 main services and 2 sets of tyres have to be paid for on top of the extras you need to buy for the Scrambler before it suits your needs! The 821 has it all straight out of the box. I would be very picky if I felt I needed to improve it in any way. I've already spent the price of a new 821 just on 'bedding in' my scrambler and I have the prospect of more frequent servicing and extras to buy ahead of me. (extras btw are hypothetical regarding getting to the standard spec of an 821, for instance; modes, quality seat and suspension...). The only thing I felt I would need changed on the 821 are the grips, a simple case of GripPuppies would sort that.
Your post made me smile as I feel your pain. I love the monster and it is the only bike I look at and have serious envy. It will probably be my next bike but that is a way off. As a result I am not going to go all out on mods for the scrambler as I know there is a monster in my future.

Having said all that, I love the scrambler and don't think of other bikes when I am riding it. My love of the monster isn't one bit stopping me enjoy the scrambler. It is more of something to look forward to.
 

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Your post made me smile as I feel your pain. I love the monster and it is the only bike I look at and have serious envy. It will probably be my next bike but that is a way off. As a result I am not going to go all out on mods for the scrambler as I know there is a monster in my future.

Having said all that, I love the scrambler and don't think of other bikes when I am riding it. My love of the monster isn't one bit stopping me enjoy the scrambler. It is more of something to look forward to.
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That's way off. The Ducati service book states that the valves need checking at the second service (7500miles 12000km)

Ducati refer to this service as the 'Desmo service' and your bike will show the 'Desmo' service reminder when you hit 7500 miles. The services basically alternate, between oil (minor) and Desmo (major) each year. If you do a lot of mileage, this is obviously sped up.

I seem to average around 8000 miles a year, so will only have to service once. Good job, the Ducati is noticeably more to maintain than other similarly priced bikes.
I know that the service book says it does, so I am unsure why they have said this to me (and they are Ducati main dealers)? As I said I will ask when I take it in ...
 

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I slod my scrambler after one year and bought a new monster 821. The price difference between the two should be way more than it is, imo. I don't think the scrambler is to expensive, but i think the monster is great value.
I really had fun on the scramber, but the monster is, as mentioned above, so much more bike! Really comfy seat and suspension, so much more power. And the sound! This thing really barks like an angry dog, even with stock cans. Only place i miss my scrambler is when i ride in town. Also, I'm a pretty tall guy, so the monster fits me better. In a perfect world i would have them both in my garage :)
 
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