[SouthernIcon]

So I just installed a Kaoko Throttle Lock on my Scrambler and wanted to go for a check out run, it's been sitting for 5 days and I go to start it and nothing happens when I hit the Start button, the digital clock lights up and checks it's system, the fuel pump primes up, gear selector is in N, kickstand light is ON, ABS and oil lights are ON and volts show as 12.9 with key Off and 12.5 with the key ON, I confirmed it with voltmeter and a battery charger, still it won't start. I checked all the fuses, tried starting it in gear with the kickstand up and the Light Off. I also fully charged the battery and checked the connections well. So what can I check now?

 

[ONduro]

Sounds like you may have possibly caused a fault in your start button switch or wiring while installing the throttle lock. Or the throttle is stuck open a bit and there a may be a safety preventing start.

Just a throwing things out there to check.

 

[rider]

I know you said you checked all the fuses, did that include the two green 30 amp fuses under the cover of the starter solenoid just forward of the main fuse box ?
One is for charging circuit, the other is for the starter solenoid.

From what I gather, you don't have to remove the starter switch on the bars to fit the throttle lock, but if you did, that would be the first place to check. When something doesn't work straight after you've done some work, that's generally were to look.

Then you'd be looking for an open circuit in any of the wiring or connectors from the starter switch right through to the starter solenoid.
Then the main power wires from battery to solenoid and solenoid to starter motor.

Good luck, hope you find something simple.

edit note;, and yes, of course if all of the above check out OK, then you will have to suspect the starter solenoid itself !

 

[SouthernIcon]

ONduro, I didn't have to touch the starter button while installing the Kaoko Throttle Lock, throttle is free moving, and rider, I did not check the fuse's you listed, I didn't know of them but will check, thanks

 

[SouthernIcon]

Just went and had the battery tested, it's good and the big 30 AMP fuses are good so I guess I'll call the roadside assistance and get it towed to the dealer.

 

[rider]

Sounds "not so interesting", Please let us know what they find.

 

[greer]

SouthernIcon,

What exactly do you have to do to install the throttle lock? You'd think we have to be overlooking something simple. You didn't accidently hit the kill button did you?

 

[Slaine]

Sounds like the kill button to me aswell.

 

[SouthernIcon]

Sounds like the kill button to me aswell.

So what are you calling the "Kill" button? The sliding "OFF" switch over the Start button"

 

[greer]

Yes, any way that's in some sort of kink?

Sarah

 

[SouthernIcon]

Yes, any way that's in some sort of kink?

Sarah

Nope, I even took the switch off and made sure the contacts were touching, it looked fine.

 

[greer]

So you turn on the key, you have all the lights and the pump primes, then you hit the Start button-- does it make any racket at all?

Sarah

 

[Slaine]

Disconnect the Battery, wait a couple of minutes then connect up and try again.

 

[SouthernIcon]

So you turn on the key, you have all the lights and the pump primes, then you hit the Start button-- does it make any racket at all?

Sarah

I wish it did make a noise, then I could tell what was broke, but the start button makes no noise or click.

 

[greer]

I mean does the bike make any racket when you hit the button?

Sarah

 

[ONduro]

With no click sound indicating the starter solenoid is engaging it can be one of 2 things. Assuming all fuses have been ruled out.

#1 the solenoid itself is faulty. the only way to determine at this point would be to remove the solenoid from the system and bench test it.

#2 (most likely) there is no signal from the start switch getting to the solenoid. #2 can be broken down into a few reasons.

a. the switch is faulty
b. there is a fault in the wiring
c. there is another safety / security device that is interrupting the start signal.

With no indicators on the display of a safety or security fault the first place to look would be A or B.

Before tearing into the bike you may want to try moving things around a bit. ie. put the seat back on, put the kickstand up and down a few times, turn the bars back and fourth a few times, cycle the gears, clutch and breaks, roll the bike back and fourth a bit.

Also try your other key.

Do these things one at a time then try to start. that way if it does start you can narrow down the problem.

 

[SouthernIcon]

Thanks ONduro, I have tried all you suggested.

 

[greer]

I feel like something simple has stumped us, and I wish some other folks would chime in with suggestions.

Sarah

 

[rider]

Worth a read from the manual.

Immobilizer system
To increase protection against theft, motorcycle features an electronic engine locking system
(IMMOBILIZER) which is automatically enabled upon every Key-Off. Inside of each key handgrip there is an
electronic device that modulates the signal sent by a special antenna integrated in the ignition switch upon
starting. Such modulated signal represents the "password", that changes upon every starting, that allows
the control unit to acknowledge the key and thus starting the engine.
Activations through diagnosis instrument
The DUCATI diagnosis instrument allows performing a series of activations to check some instrument panel
functions and resetting parameters or warning lights.
After each activation, the instrument panel will restore its standard functions.
Note
The activations must be performed only with key turned to ON, engine off and battery voltage ≥ 11.0 V.
Immobilizer (keys) reset
This activation allows "erasing" the "keys" to reprogramme the Immobilizer System.
Upon receiving this request, the instrument panel resets the previously stored keys.
Upon next Key-On, the Immobilizer System will be "virgin" and it will be possible to reprogramme new
keys.
Programming the Immobilizer System
When replacing the instrument panel with a new one or when reprogramming the Immobilizer System
(because one or both keys got lost).
If the System is "virgin", upon Key-On the instrument panel immediately activates the "Immobilizer
Programming" mode.
Programming procedure:
- insert KEY 1 (one of the two black keys) and turn the key from Off to On;
- within 3 seconds turn the key from On to Off;
- within 15 seconds insert KEY 2 (the other black key) and turn the key from Off to On;
- within 3 seconds turn the key from On to Off;
- within 15 seconds insert KEY X again (no matter if Key 1 or Key 2) and turn the key from Off to On.
- If the procedure was successful the instrument panel shows "PROG." and "OK" for 3 seconds and then
switches to the standard display mode.

 

[SouthernIcon]

Well the dealer picked it up this morning, said they would call when they figured out the problem.