[jellies]

I can only really compare to my last few bikes.
but why is the scrambler have so much resistance to being pushed while in gear but clutch in, vs in neutral? I didn't notice much if any difference on a 9t ..
I can't detect any residual drag on the engine with clutch in or any shifting issues that might indicate a dragging clutch.

second question, the battery was (allegedly) never run down and right off the trickle charger the starter motor sounds anaemic like it is really having difficulty turning the engine. It catches ok, but if you heard it you'd think it was a tired battery. 2000km and 5 months old, if the last owner was honest, I don't think the battery was mistreated.

third question. I posted in the disc warp topic but for completeness, will ask here in this post: the front brake makes a slight yowling sound (not high, like a squeal) when coming to moderately hard stop, when cold. Ignore?

thanks.

 

[stavely]

Clutch might just be "sticking plates". Is it worse when cold? I'd ignore if all OK otherwise as you say. But the clutch is very sensitive to cable adjustment I've found. Almost no play on mine at cold then 2 to 3mm when it warms up. Who'd have known!
Battery/starter, mine and the two others I've seen do this. "They're all like that sir".
Disc could be just the normal noise of pads going over the holes, but you could pop out the pads and inspect the faces for grit and then put a tiny smear of copper slip on the backs and the pins. It may already be there. It stops the pads from resonating.
I don't think you have any real worries though.

 

[egicar]

Hi,

about the play, from the owner's manual (pag.117):

A worn clutch makes the clutch cable tension increase.

Always check the free play, with cold engine, before using the vehicle.

When operating the clutch lever, you must clearly feel the passage from a very low resistance to a very high resistance (operating force).

The free play corresponds to the clutch lever travel where resistance is very low.

Pull the lever through its free play and check that distance "A" is between 0.12 - 0.16 in (3-4 mm).

To adjust the free play make sure that it is not equal to zero. Work on the primary adjuster (2) on the clutch control.

 

[jellies]

Will check.

But -- lets say a worn clutch and a tight cable, that means the clutch is not fully clamped, right? in that case pulling the clutch lever in would definitely dis-engage it..

My problem / observation is that pulling the bike out the garage in gear, with the clutch lever pulled in, is very difficult. Implies the rear wheel is getting braked by something.

Yet if the clutch was rubbing even with the lever in, I'd expect problems with gear changing, which I don't have.

edit: maybe this is just a wet-clutch cold oil situation.. discs are not dis-engaging even with lever fully pulled in.

 

[greer]

That sure sounds like clutch plates sticking together. Some bikes are worse than others.

Sarah

 

[Slaine]

Wrong oil being used maybe?

 

[stavely]

Will check.

But -- lets say a worn clutch and a tight cable, that means the clutch is not fully clamped, right? in that case pulling the clutch lever in would definitely dis-engage it..

My problem / observation is that pulling the bike out the garage in gear, with the clutch lever pulled in, is very difficult. Implies the rear wheel is getting braked by something.

Yet if the clutch was rubbing even with the lever in, I'd expect problems with gear changing, which I don't have.

edit: maybe this is just a wet-clutch cold oil situation.. discs are not dis-engaging even with lever fully pulled in.

You're on it now. Hence I wondered if it was worse when cold

 

[egicar]

I've never tried to push my Scrambler with the motor off, in gear and with the clutch in, but I remember when I did it (many times) with my old dirt bike (wet clutch) and it was very hard to do.
Reading what was happened to other Scrambler's owners that "worked" on the clutch settings, I reported what is stated in the owner's manual, to prevent you to burn the clutch

 

[Jupiter]

My bike is difficult to push in gear with clutch in. I'm interested in finding an answer. I have asked my dealer several questions but all they say is "wait until your first service".

 

[egicar]

I think that the clutch needs the motor on to work as we expect.
IMO, using it with the motor off (especially cold motor) there is a residual contact between the disks. I don't know the dry clutch, so I don't know if it has the same behavior.

 

[jellies]

Haven't been organised enough to check for sure but last time after a ride I rolled it no problem in 1st

So I think it's a cold oil thing.

 

[toomanybikes]

You could just push it in neutral! I think most bikes when cold are difficult to push in gear with clutch in.

 

[Crilly]

My Harley's do the same thing. It has to do with how the clutches work. They use centrifugal force to help disinguage the clutch. Takes less force that way. Has nothing to do with adjustment.

 

[egicar]

My Harley's do the same thing. It has to do with how the clutches work. They use centrifugal force to help disinguage the clutch. Takes less force that way. Has nothing to do with adjustment.

Exactly, thank you!!! So, don't adjust the clutch, trying to change this behavior. It is a normal behavior.
Be careful with clutch adjustment. Do it only if/when necessary and follow step by step the owner's manual.