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God morning fellow sufferers WORWIDE.

As a result of messages to and from you people , I have been in touch with 4 ECU remap `specialists`.
Their prices vary from £370 to £450 and would take a day to complete ......

My son says `you have spent too much already trying to make the bike correct , it should be ride able from day one .
He contacted DUCATI UK ( SILVERSTONE ).
They in turn ask ME to send in a letter listing ALL probs ,including any at point of sale .
(WELL THAT IS ANOTHER STORY ))
As a matter of protocol ,I sent my E-MAIL to my main dealer ,this was sent last week .
Today ( Monday ) I opened my computer fully expecting an acknowledgement ( at least )
fraid not , not even a `yes we have received etc etc `.

I have received though an E-MAIL from a company with the amuseing name of HAMMMER and TONGS .
They say THE ONLY way make the Scrambler correct IS a REMAP .

I visited SMC in Sheffield on Friday ,and spoke to a SMC DUCATI `parts/workshop` manager re Scrambler /Desert Sled throttle parts .
His reply is :- ALL Scramblers and Sleds share the SAME throttle assembly ( from the grip to the throttle body )
ALL Scramblers share the same ECU.
THE SLED has a totally different ECU.

My Scrambler throttle ( at the twistgrip ) takes 1/4 turn from off to fully open .

There was a Scramber Classic ,a Full Throttle and a Desert Sled on show SMC , I tried all 3 twist grips .
= CLASSIC = 1/4 TURN
=FULL THROTTLE 5/8 TURN
=DESERT SLED 5/8 TURN.

I showed this to `parts/workshop `manager .
As to why the differences he was `AT A LOSE `

I GIVE UP .
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The 2016 throttle tube is linear.

The 2017 tube, as fitted on the Sled is non linear. Very soft initially, and progresses to agressive at bigger openings. Works a charm.

Or else google for G2 throttle tamer.

Serious, this is easy to solve
 

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The 2016 throttle tube is linear.

The 2017 tube, as fitted on the Sled is non linear. Very soft initially, and progresses to agressive at bigger openings. Works a charm.

Or else google for G2 throttle tamer.

Serious, this is easy to solve
Hello Max Kool . I have phoned SMC Sheffield and asked availability of a DS throttle tube .
I phoned THEM cos I was not sure which is the tube in question .
THEY in turn had NO idea as they only deal in part numbers .
Therefore Max KOOL `I` must ask YOU to describe the `tube` .
( Is it the throttle mechanism at the twist grip .)
If a quick fix I will be able to sort asap .
I do have aG2 throttle tamer fitted .
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Just a FYI, below are two pictures.

The first one picturing the oruginal throttle tube, which is fitted to any 2015-12016 Scrambler, together with the G2 throttle tamer with the 600 cam, which is the tamest cam they offer. You can clearly see the initial radius of the G2 cam starts with a smaller diameter. This makes the initial throttle response more lazy.



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Here below we see the tube as fitted to the Desert Sled. Starts out very mellow for the first 60 degrees or so, and only after that develops a larger radius. Pretty abrupt by the way. This is how Ducati solved the snatchy throttle response at lower throttle openings.



Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the part number for the Desert Sled throttle. Your dealer should be able to find the part number for this, and ask specifically for the 2017 Desert Sled model, for they ARE different (pretty sure they used this one also on the new Cafe Racer). I read somewhere the complete throttle assembly sells for around 90 bucks.
 

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Hello Max Kool . I have phoned SMC Sheffield and asked availability of a DS throttle tube .
I phoned THEM cos I was not sure which is the tube in question .
THEY in turn had NO idea as they only deal in part numbers .
Therefore Max KOOL `I` must ask YOU to describe the `tube` .
( Is it the throttle mechanism at the twist grip .)
If a quick fix I will be able to sort asap .
I do have aG2 throttle tamer fitted .
rangerover
Wait, what, you have the G2 tamer fitted? With which cam? the 600?
 

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I believe this is the throttle assembly you need: #65420461A

Apparently this is the new throttle from the Desert Sled (but check this part no. with your dealer!)
 

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His reply is :- ALL Scramblers and Sleds share the SAME throttle assembly ( from the grip to the throttle body )
The reason for this is that they've updated the replacement part numbers on all scramblers to MATCH the part number of the new DS throttle tube. If you go to buy a new throttle tube from the dealer for ANY scrambler (assuming it's new stock) it should be the new Desert Sled version, part number 65420461a. At least this is the way I understand it from a conversation I had with the parts guy earlier today.
 

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Guys, hold your horses please!
Check the link given below. I describe there a possible throttle tube upgrade. The good news is, that it is feasible to get rid of this annoying snatchy throttle :) The bad news is, that no one knows the OEM parts numbers yet.

http://www.scramblerforum.com/forum...-discussion/38305-2015-vs-2017-scrambler.html

pretty sure this is the part the OP needs. He just needs to order and install it.

I believe this is the throttle assembly you need: #65420461A

Apparently this is the new throttle from the Desert Sled (but check this part no. with your dealer!)
 

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Little update from the Desert Sled camp.

I recently installed the pre-2017 throttle tube on my Sled, because I felt the throttle response on the stock bike way too weak. The power was there, you just needed to wring the throttle all the way before the bike really woke up.

So I found a near new throttle tube on Ebay and installed the throttle tube many Scrambler riders have been replacing with a G2 or a Desert Sled one. I properly cleaned it, and made sure the surfaces inside the throttle unit had a light layer of grease added. The tube itself should be completely clean and dry, just like your bars.

What a difference! Free midrange horsepower. It turned my bike in a super responsive, short shifting fun bike instead of the somewhat sluggish but very well behaved Scrambler it was when I bought it.

I do understand why people complain about jerkyness though. It's the quick throttle action COMBINED with stiction imho. The stiction between the tube and the bars make it hard to dose the throttle. Either too little, or too much. This is easily fixed by applying some powdered graphite on the bars before installing the tube.

Instant satisfaction!
 

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I went a similar route with my Desert Sled that Max Kool went with his, except I got the G2 throttle tamer. Again, it does the opposite on the 2017's as it does on the previous models. The 2017's have such a lazy throttle they feel slow, but having had a 2015 I didn't want mine quite that excitable. The G2 is a fantastic upgrade on the DS on pavement. I'd say between the standard 2017 and 2015 throttle tubes, the G2 is about 2/3 to 3/4 toward the 2015 side from 2017. It's the throttle I wish my Icon would have had (I never tried the G2 before because I had OEM heated grips on my Icon). I have not fully off road tested it yet, so I'm curious to see how I feel about that, but so far I love it.
 

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The 2016 throttle tube is linear.

The 2017 tube, as fitted on the Sled is non linear. Very soft initially, and progresses to agressive at bigger openings. Works a charm.

Or else google for G2 throttle tamer.

Serious, this is easy to solve
This is exactly right. I acquired a 2017 tube from Icon66 off this forum (thanks mate) and it is hugely different from the 2015 tube. Initially much softer for longer and then equally aggressive as you get round a bit.
From my home to a tarmac road is about a mile of dirt track and gravel, or concrete washboard, over that terrain the ride quality is night and day better. All the bump snatchiness is gone and you don't need no concentrate so hard, its a much more relaxed ride.
On tarmac the pick up from hairpins and tight corners is much much smoother. Fast sections are just the same as before.
It's a really good improvement.
It doesn't cure the crap fueling between 2500 and 3500 on a "steady" throttle though. That's a mapping issue so I'll fit a booster plug next.
So if you can get a 2017 tube and replace your 2015 or 2016 tube I'd highly recommend it.
 

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Which crap fueling between 2500 and 3500rpm? Mine is bog stock (no exhaust or map installed) and I didn't notice anything odd...(except on a cold engine)

That said, 2500 rpm is very low in the rpm range, I don't even know if I ride anywhere below 3000-ish rpm...
 
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