Apparently there are two versions available for the 1100.
A road going version that isn't particularly loud and doesn't require a new map.
The race version is very load apparently and will included the manifold, new map and exhaust servo deletion.

 

The type approved version is the same diameter pipe and therefore will just slip on.
The race version is a wider diameter pipe and comes with a conversion manifold that eliminates the cat. The race version comes with a remap. All of this I know although it's not easy to extract the info from dealers.
The question is has anyone done this or am I going to be the guinea pig?

 

I think you need to buy the manifold seperate to the silencer.... for the race system. Because its the manifold part that removes the cat.

I do not see it mentioned anywhere about an upmap - but assume it needs one.. and one would be supplied..

Obviously the arrow is cheaper... but Arrow say there was only 3 HP gain... but that is obviously without a map..

 

Some guys on Facebook have changed the exhaust for the Road and Race versions.
Apparently the race version is full on nasty loud!

 

I listened to the one clip of the Termi road version, and it didn't seem that much different than stock in terms of sound. My buddy's 848 with Termis has an awesome sound (not too loud, throaty and nice burble), so I was honestly a little disappointed in the sound of the Termi kit for the 1100. Perhaps the race version is better, but if its too loud, that's not going to work either. I also prefer the look of the dual pipes, tucked under the tail on ether side, as opposed to stacked on one side. But that's just me.

To be honest, I am hoping Competition Werkes eventually makes a kit similar to this one for the 1100 Scrambler:

 

I got in touch with Comp Werks since I’m fairly local to see if they needed a doner bike to design on. They recently got an 1100, and mentioned that next month they will be releasing a low mount single can exhaust. I was really hoping for the high mount dual cans like the ‘09 monster 1100 has. Oh well, keep waiting I guess ;-)


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Still waiting for someone to install a Termi Evo on his/her 1100.....

 

I was looking at Akrapovic's site earlier today, and they have the Scrambler 1100 listed now. They don't have any products up for it yet, but they have a "coming soon" placeholder. I bet that'll be yummy.

 

The Akropovic has been out for a while now, I have one fitted amongst others.

 

I'm also very intersted in the aftermarket exhausts that will be coming out. I do like the stock sound a lot but wouldn't mind if it was a bit louder.
I'm very curious how the Arrow cat delete pipe will sound with the stock cans. This might be a cheap and nice way to gain some sound and loose some weight. Also loosing the cat would reduce some underseat heat.
I do love the look of the Termi system but it only sound good in race trim(I've been told by a couple of sources). The aproved system is said to sound less good then the stock cans. Also the price is pretty steep.

 

Great idea on the Arrow mid pipe!

I wonder if it would bolt on/work with the stock cans? It says "compatible with Arrow slip on exhaust" so I wonder if it would bolt up directly or would it need to be modified to work with stock exhaust. That would be awesome if it does!



Item #: 1331664
Arrow Mid-Pipe Ducati Scrambler 1100
Arrow offers optional mid-pipes for certain motorcycles allowing the user to eliminate the catalytic converter. Arrow mid-pipes are compatible with Arrow Slip-On Exhausts.

Features:

• Optional catalytic converter eliminating mid-pipe
• Compatible with Arrow Slip-On Exhaust
• TIG welding

 

Great idea on the Arrow mid pipe!

I wonder if it would bolt on/work with the stock cans? It says "compatible with Arrow slip on exhaust" so I wonder if it would bolt up directly or would it need to be modified to work with stock exhaust. That would be awesome if it does!
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I've seen on sites from sellers that it should fit and it's sold as such. And as the end cans from Arrow can be bought separarely to directly replace the stock can I also thinkbit won't be a problem.
As I don't have the bike yet I can't check if the servo valve would be a problem but I guess that's in the 1 into 2 part to the cans.

Decat Link Pipe by Arrow Ducati / Scrambler 1100 / 2018 (71696MI)

 

The Link pipe would fit the standard system - as the Arrow system still uses the original 2:1 splitter from Ducati - The servo valve is part of the Cat - so you will need to fit a spring on the cable to fool the system or a DucE or Servo Eliminator.

I have not pulled the trigger on this yet for 2 reasons

1. Would like to know how LOUD it is with the cat gone.

2. Not sure what effect it will have on the running... bike runs great with the cat - so concerned it may make it too lean...


Waiting for someone else to be the guinea pig...

 

Ah that's some great info. The cat eliminator will almost certainly make it lean but that said I did this on other bikes and other people on other model Ducati's and I never had any problems. The only thing I noticed myself was a bit more popping on deceI and a slight loss of torque if you don't do a remap. also can't find many stories of engines failing after decats and I've been reading for many years on many forums. The lean condition is probably a bigger problem in hot countries I guess but I agree it could cause problems.
On my 800 I had the Termignoni race system witch eliminates the cat and comes with a new map. This ran pretty good and improved bottem pick up. With the stock can the map also worked verry good.
With the Arrow decat pipe you could always have a rexxer tune and change the mapping in wich case you should end up with a pretty sweet running set up that's probably more bang for the buck then just some different slip ons.
Personally I would like more noise but also something that is easely reversable for trips to Germany(where they are very strict).

I understand you don't wanna be the guinea pig but if someone fits it and just rides a couple of thousand miles a year you still won't know very much. I will be folowing what is coming out for the 1100 and as soon as there is a good rexxer map it could be a nice upgrade.

 

The noise is my main concern - I want a bit more noise - but not straight through pipes.... I ride early morning... so do not need the attention...

 

Yeah it doesn't need to be crazy loud. The Termignoni on the 800 sounds quite nice with the db killer but without it's a bit to much.
Luckily the 1100 sounds pretty good stock with a nice deep tone wich can't be said for the 800 model wich is just to quiet stock.

 

I'll let you guys know, I pulled the trigger this afternoon on the Arrow pipe. :icon_thumbright:

I am planning to have my dealer install it since they also do full race exhaust fabrication - they certainly know what they're doing. I also plan to delete the 02's while I'm at it and have it remapped.

I'll keep you guys posted.

 

Nice! That's going to be very interesting. I hope you can do a before and after video and sound clip so we can get an idea on what the sound is going to do. It would also be interesting to see how much weight the Arrow pipe saves.

It's nice to have a dealer that knows what they are doing and that have the tools to remap the stock ecu.

 

Great


Would be good to see Dyno with AFR for

Stock
Stock with Cat replace
Tune

Not sure if you plan on getting it Dyno'd

 

Hey guys - I'd love to get it dyno'd, I'm not sure if they have access to one or know where it can be done. I will certainly ask them. Should be no prob to get the weight savings. Will do a before and after video as well.

I bought my bike from DucPond (Ducati of Winchester) in Virginia, and they're a pretty race oriented shop. They sponsor track days, and the dealer owner is an established racer, fabricator and tech. I'm definitely in good hands!

 

So when is the changes and videos happening.... waiting ..... its been a few hours since your first post..... waiting....

 

LOL - well, I am hoping to have it hand by the end of this week, and if I can take off a day next week I'll head over to the shop to get it installed. :headbang:

 

Hahaha, be patient Simon, you're worse then me waiting till friday to pick up my 1100 Scrambler!

I'm realy looking forward to the project Duc1100Scram and your findings when the pipe is fitted. I'm guessing at least 3 hp gain, a bit more torque, 4 till 5 lbs weight loss and 200% more enjoyment from the new sweet, deeper and louder L-Twin sound:icon_thumright:

 

I'm guessing between 3 and 5hp with just a remap with the stock cat and exhaust....

 

I hope you guys are right; a 3-5+ HP potential gain for ~ $200ish bucks isn't a bad deal at all!

Hell I'd be happy with just a throatier sound and a decrease in temps. haha

Think I should go ahead and add a drop in filter while I'm at it? Figure with the remap, might be good to get it breathing a little better. Not sure on the Ducatis, but I know when I removed the airbox, added pod filters and remapped my Thruxton, that was a night and day difference. Ran way cooler too.

 

She was no Ducati, but wish I could've kept her!

 

She was no Ducati, but wish I could've kept her!

Sadly I can't see the picture.

 

I don't think you'll win much -if anything- with just the cat replacement. Could be just better sound. Contrary to popular belief the cat doesn't choke an engine in general, at least not on the Scrambler (that thing is like 3" in diameter). It's often the mapping that's choking the engine.

Here's a good example. Both graphs are from a from a Scrambler 800 with the same stock exhaust. One with, one without a Rexxer reflash....

(exhaust manufacturers don't like these graphs, they typically show stock, stock mapping with their exhaust -a little if any gain-, and their exhaust with a remap, never a stock exhaust with a remap)

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And a filter without modifying the airbox is a waste of money imho.


Remember though, if you start modifying the injection system/airbox, and you ever run into engine or oil consumption problems, Ducati could deny you warranty....

 

Thanks Max. I've not seen any newer Ducs with the airbox removed; or modified. But good to know either way about the warranty.

 

Totally agree. Nowadays it's pretty hard to gain hp by changing a stock exhaust as they are often very well designed in the first place.
Personally I wouldn't bother with the air filter as stock filters hardly restrict air flow and they are easely serviceable.
Loosing a bit of weight and heat from the cat and gaining sound was the main objective from the start. The 3 to 5 hp gain is purely the mapping. With the 800 the results with the Termignoni race can and up map key ate pretty much the same. But the sound with that can is absolutely awesome.
Warranty is always tricky with mods and best discussed with the dealer I guess.